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	<title>Comments on: Water, Assault, and Sudoku at Moses Lake</title>
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		<title>By: Hudson</title>
		<link>http://ethanolfuel.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/water-assault-and-sudoku-at-moses-lake/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading Scientific American the other day (forgive me!), and I came across an environmental issues article that seemed to promote more openness in dealing with environmental issues. The writers recognize how horribly impractical the common, light-foot, approach is, and pointed out how little we are accomplishing. I was surprised to see the article published in a popular magazine.

A glimmer of hope, perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading Scientific American the other day (forgive me!), and I came across an environmental issues article that seemed to promote more openness in dealing with environmental issues. The writers recognize how horribly impractical the common, light-foot, approach is, and pointed out how little we are accomplishing. I was surprised to see the article published in a popular magazine.</p>
<p>A glimmer of hope, perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: carlbrannen</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet more assaults and worse in Grant County: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.columbiabasinherald.com/articles/2008/06/18/news/news04.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;man sentenced for raping his mother&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.columbiabasinherald.com/articles/2008/06/17/news/news02.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;traffic dispute&lt;/a&gt; leads 42-year-old woman to beat up 21-year-old man and his 18-year-old female friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet more assaults and worse in Grant County: <a href="http://www.columbiabasinherald.com/articles/2008/06/18/news/news04.txt" rel="nofollow">man sentenced for raping his mother</a>, and <a href="http://www.columbiabasinherald.com/articles/2008/06/17/news/news02.txt" rel="nofollow">traffic dispute</a> leads 42-year-old woman to beat up 21-year-old man and his 18-year-old female friend.</p>
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		<title>By: carlbrannen</title>
		<link>http://ethanolfuel.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/water-assault-and-sudoku-at-moses-lake/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>carlbrannen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see I didn&#039;t reference the figure for water requirements of an ethanol plant. Here&#039;s some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.agobservatory.org/library.cfm?refid=89449&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reputable figures from an agricultural college group worried about ethanol water consumption&lt;/a&gt;, see figure 1.

Their water usage (5 gallons per gallon ethanol) is higher than ours (3) because midwest US water is generally not as pure as Columbia river water. The largest use of water in an ethanol plant is used for cooling. It is evaporated. This is what creates the clouds coming out of a plant.

The water that does not evaporate becomes saltier. If it gets too salty, then it clogs your pipes. This limits how many times you can run it through an evaporation cycle, and so places that have nasty water use more of it.

In addition, some plants recycle their waste water, others do not. Recycling is accomplished by making it into a syrupy concentrate plus distilled water using an &quot;evaporator&quot;. Not doing this will increase a plant&#039;s water consumption maybe 25%. Of course this works better if your plant&#039;s water is more pure. In general, the more modern a plant, the less water it uses.

Most of the people fighting against ethanol either know nothing about it. The backbone of the fight is by people who want to eliminate all &quot;factory farming&quot;. For them, the concept of the world being covered by farms growing fuels is a nightmare of wall to wall industrialization.

Their preferred solution is to reduce consumption. Drive a bicycle. Live with a smaller footprint. They can&#039;t imagine that any solution could possibly involve a huge machine built from glistening stainless steel and will fight against it. And getting back to water usage, here&#039;s some photos of our &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liquacorp.com/photoevaporation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;beautiful stainless steel evaporator (water distillation / purifier) being assembled.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see I didn&#8217;t reference the figure for water requirements of an ethanol plant. Here&#8217;s some <a href="http://www.agobservatory.org/library.cfm?refid=89449" rel="nofollow">reputable figures from an agricultural college group worried about ethanol water consumption</a>, see figure 1.</p>
<p>Their water usage (5 gallons per gallon ethanol) is higher than ours (3) because midwest US water is generally not as pure as Columbia river water. The largest use of water in an ethanol plant is used for cooling. It is evaporated. This is what creates the clouds coming out of a plant.</p>
<p>The water that does not evaporate becomes saltier. If it gets too salty, then it clogs your pipes. This limits how many times you can run it through an evaporation cycle, and so places that have nasty water use more of it.</p>
<p>In addition, some plants recycle their waste water, others do not. Recycling is accomplished by making it into a syrupy concentrate plus distilled water using an &#8220;evaporator&#8221;. Not doing this will increase a plant&#8217;s water consumption maybe 25%. Of course this works better if your plant&#8217;s water is more pure. In general, the more modern a plant, the less water it uses.</p>
<p>Most of the people fighting against ethanol either know nothing about it. The backbone of the fight is by people who want to eliminate all &#8220;factory farming&#8221;. For them, the concept of the world being covered by farms growing fuels is a nightmare of wall to wall industrialization.</p>
<p>Their preferred solution is to reduce consumption. Drive a bicycle. Live with a smaller footprint. They can&#8217;t imagine that any solution could possibly involve a huge machine built from glistening stainless steel and will fight against it. And getting back to water usage, here&#8217;s some photos of our <a href="http://www.liquacorp.com/photoevaporation.html" rel="nofollow">beautiful stainless steel evaporator (water distillation / purifier) being assembled.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The figures on water in ethanol production shocked me. On what other grounds can &quot;they&quot; claim mass ethanol production to be ecologically unsound. 

As a side note: This part of your article reminded me of a short story by Isaac Asimov titled /The Martian Way/. You should look it up if you haven&#039;t read it already--and if you have a taste for Sci-Fi. He wrote it quite a while back, so the science is dated. Still, a good story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The figures on water in ethanol production shocked me. On what other grounds can &#8220;they&#8221; claim mass ethanol production to be ecologically unsound. </p>
<p>As a side note: This part of your article reminded me of a short story by Isaac Asimov titled /The Martian Way/. You should look it up if you haven&#8217;t read it already&#8211;and if you have a taste for Sci-Fi. He wrote it quite a while back, so the science is dated. Still, a good story.</p>
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